[IBU] FW: Lift the Limit
David Coy
dcoy at raccoon.com
Tue Jan 22 23:31:07 CST 2008
From: David Coy [mailto:dcoy at raccoon.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:15 PM
To: 'John Martin'
Subject: RE: [IBU] Lift the Limit
Hey everyone, great thread and this is something the Iowa Brewers Guild is
very interested in as well. Along with all the other justifications for this
legislation, please add that the local (small business) brewpubs and
microbreweries are at a competitive disadvantage in that out of state
brewers can bring their high alcohol beers into the state, granted through
the state warehouse, but we can't.
I've been told many times that this push should come from concerned
"citizens" not interest holding brewers, so please move forward with as much
noise as you can on this issue.
DCoy
From: ibu-bounces at iowabrewersunion.org
[mailto:ibu-bounces at iowabrewersunion.org] On Behalf Of John Martin
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:26 PM
To: Cleghorn, Andy; ibu at iowabrewersunion.org
Subject: Re: [IBU] Lift the Limit
Great point Andy. Let's not forget another major goal of Lift the
Limit...the freedom for our local brewers to make almost any style of beer!
We would then be on a level playing field with neighboring states.
John Martin
Project Manager
515-699-7178 office
515-699-7179 fax
515-490-0605 mobile
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From: ibu-bounces at iowabrewersunion.org
[mailto:ibu-bounces at iowabrewersunion.org] On Behalf Of Cleghorn, Andy
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:04 PM
To: ibu at iowabrewersunion.org
Subject: Re: [IBU] Lift the Limit
I think the people you really need to get behind this are the retailers.
Remember, it isn't illegal to sell these beers in Iowa now - it is just
inconvenient. Our tax structure is higher, but overall it isn't a huge
difference if you find a retailer willing to go through the hassle. You can
find Bigfoot at Wine and Spirits Gallery, John's and Cyclone for around
$10.99/six pack. This isn't a cheap beer anywhere. I think I gave
$9.99/six pack at Gomers. Flying Dog specialties (Old Scratch is 11.6%
ABV) are around, too. So you need to get the people that have the most
potential monetary gain to be for it. Get someone with deep pockets that
have a chance to make some money interested (the Hy Vee's of the state) and
you will have a much better shot at getting your argument heard.
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From: ibu-bounces at iowabrewersunion.org
[mailto:ibu-bounces at iowabrewersunion.org] On Behalf Of Sabus, Brian
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:12 PM
To: John Martin; Mark McAndrews; ibu at iowabrewersunion.org
Subject: Re: [IBU] Lift the Limit
>From what I understand, Ray will have his legislative assistants do some
digging on states that have recently passed these laws to help him draft the
language, so no worries there. As to your other comment, I think a definite
'yes'. If/when this placeholder comes to pass, we should pass the word as
the more folks rattling the cage the better.
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From: ibu-bounces at iowabrewersunion.org
[mailto:ibu-bounces at iowabrewersunion.org] On Behalf Of John Martin
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:04 PM
To: Mark McAndrews; ibu at iowabrewersunion.org
Subject: Re: [IBU] Lift the Limit
All good comments. This is very encouraging.
I think North Carolina lifted their limit about two years ago. Would it be
helpful for Mr. Zirkelbach to have a copy of their proposed legislation as a
template? Just a thought. (I don't have a copy, but a copy could probably
be found somewhere on the internet).
Also, should we get the "placeholder" would it make sense to rally the
troops (other homebrew clubs and the Iowa Brewer's Guild) around the state
to encourage them to write their state congressman?
Cheers!
John Martin
Project Manager
515-699-7178 office
515-699-7179 fax
515-490-0605 mobile
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From: ibu-bounces at iowabrewersunion.org
[mailto:ibu-bounces at iowabrewersunion.org] On Behalf Of Mark McAndrews
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:07 PM
To: ibu at iowabrewersunion.org
Subject: Re: [IBU] Lift the Limit
This session is scheduled to be short & sweet, being an even numbered year
--- they want to wrap up early and get home for campaigning. This session
there will be little stomach for tackling tough or controversial issues. The
coffers are full, the governor already wants to spend more than he has and
the legislature will likely just slap down some of his condition of the
state proposals.
The one down side to proposing this now is that in an election year MADD &
the other neo-prohibitionists will likely glom onto any proposal as making
the highways more dangerous and encouraging drunk driving. This will be an
easy thing to twist in an attach ad prior to election. On the plus side few
seats in the house are actually contested, so it doesn't matter so much. I'm
game for any chance to get it on the agenda.
Also, expect the numnuts at ABC to claim there will be a loss of revenue due
to decreasing taxation of the high alc beers. Don't forget to stress to your
legislators that we all have a file somewhere on our computers with the best
beer stores in Omaha, the Twin Cities, Chicago, St. Louis, KC.... so that we
can load up on these beers everytime we cross the state line.
----- Original Message -----
From: Sabus, Brian <mailto:brian.sabus at pioneer.com>
To: randle.boyd at mchsi.com ; ibu at iowabrewersunion.org
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:53 PM
Subject: Re: [IBU] Lift the Limit
I don't know Randle, but I'll certainly ask him when I talk to him; it would
be nice to have him give us the skinny at some point during the 2008
session.
-Brian
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From: randle.boyd at mchsi.com [mailto:randle.boyd at mchsi.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:47 PM
To: Sabus, Brian; ibu at iowabrewersunion.org
Subject: Re: [IBU] Lift the Limit
Awesome. Is there any chance that he would like to speak to possible
legislation at an IBU meeting?
Cheers,
Randle
-------------- Original message from "Sabus, Brian"
<brian.sabus at pioneer.com>: --------------
Hello All,
Just wanted to let you know that a friend of mine whom is a legislative
consultant introduced me to Iowa District 31 Representative Ray Zirkelbach 3
weeks ago over a couple of beers at the El Bait Shop. Well, turns out that
Mr. Zirkelbach is a "beer enthusiast" and he called my friend again today
and wants to put together a "placeholder" piece of legislation then draft
some more specific language over the course of the next few weeks to change
Iowa's 5% Law.
Anyway, I imagine he will also be contacting Mike England on this issue as
Mike is our expert in this area.
Not sure what will come of this, but it can't hurt. Ray is the chair of one
committee in the House so he does have a little pull. I'll keep you posted
on how this proceeds if it indeed goes anywhere.
Later,
Brian
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