[IBU] IBU Digest, Vol 34, Issue 23 "lift the limit'

Bob Slack slack_05 at hotmail.com
Tue Jan 22 15:54:45 CST 2008 

Greetings,
 
  So this is my first time posting on this list, I read it from time to time but today in perticular has sparked my interest with the discussion on lifting the stupid limit on beer in our wonderful state.  It is funny that one of you mentioned that you recently met with a local representitve and discussed chaning the law.  One of my good friends from back home and I were toying with the idea of contacting our local rep. and seeing if he knew anything about craft beer, and further more let him taste some "illegal" examples of beer that could be made in this state if it wasn't for the stupid laws.
  I also thought that North Carolina changed their limit up to 15%, but I guess I was wrong.  I know that Alabama is still fighting to get their laws changed.  http://www.freethehops.org/.  I like the little quote up on the top right hand side that says, "Underage drinkers are not interested in high alcohol gourmet beer."  Which is so true, what college kid is going to go out and spend a bunch of cash on some imperial stouts when he can get a thirty pack of swill?  Anywho, if there is anyway I can possibly help, please let me know.
                                                         Cheers,
                                                       Robert Slack> From: ibu-request at iowabrewersunion.org> Subject: IBU Digest, Vol 34, Issue 23> To: ibu at iowabrewersunion.org> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:35:10 -0600> > Send IBU mailing list submissions to> ibu at iowabrewersunion.org> > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit> http://www.iowabrewersunion.org/mailman/listinfo/ibu> or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to> ibu-request at iowabrewersunion.org> > You can reach the person managing the list at> ibu-owner at iowabrewersunion.org> > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific> than "Re: Contents of IBU digest..."> > > Today's Topics:> > 1. Re: Lift the Limit (Sabus, Brian)> > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------> > Message: 1> Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2008 15:35:00 -0600> From: "Sabus, Brian" <brian.sabus at pioneer.com>> Subject: Re: [IBU] Lift the Limit> To: "Mark McAndrews" <markmcandrews at msn.com>,> <ibu at iowabrewersunion.org>> Message-ID:> <61BFBBF9152ABF4A8F377D308FB55BBAC1A26D at JHMS19.phibred.com>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"> > >From what I understood; "the placeholder" is just a chit on docket with> a simple proposal and a basic outline. "Drafting the language" is both> the legislation itself and a consideration of the politics of said> language. When he brings this to committee, he wants to have a nice> little oration prepared to introduce it and have it structured in a way> that it won't have everyone running for the hills.> > > > > > > > ________________________________> > From: ibu-bounces at iowabrewersunion.org> [mailto:ibu-bounces at iowabrewersunion.org] On Behalf Of Mark McAndrews> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:25 PM> To: ibu at iowabrewersunion.org> Subject: Re: [IBU] Lift the Limit> > > > I thought it was South Carolina, but it doesn't particularly matter.> Their legislation probably isn't going to be useful to Iowa unless their> state code mirrors Iowa's. > > > > Drafting the language shouldn't be terribly difficult, it just comes> down to how the law should be changed.> > > > I've read this section of the Iowa code in the past and while it isn't> fresh in my memory the general outline is as follows:> > > > Any beverage containing alcohol of more than 1/2 % is classified as> liquor and must be taxed as such and wholesaled through the state> warehouse. Then exemptions are carved out for both beer and wine. In the> definition of beer a cap of 5% alc by weight is included. The question> when it comes to drafting language is more one of politics than finding> the correct wording. The simplest change would be to either eliminate> that section entirely or change the number. The political problem is> that some of the aclo-pops & 'hard lemonade' type beverages currently> fall under the 'beer' definition. These are the things the kiddies are> drinking and there will be some blow back against raising the limit on> things that don't look like beer. If the entire definition is rewritten> that opens up all kinds of chances for lobbying for things to skirt the> intent of the law and you end up with a mess like the whole touch play> debacle where an instant fix for the perceived problem is then demanded.> For our own selfish purposes I'd say we just encourage the simplest> change possible since all we really want is not to remake the whole> structure (actually I'd like to, but that isn't reasonably possible) but> to adjust it to more readily fit the marketplace of available products.> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: John Martin <mailto:jmartin at grahamconstruction.com> > > To: Mark McAndrews <mailto:markmcandrews at msn.com> ; > ibu at iowabrewersunion.org > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:03 PM> > Subject: RE: [IBU] Lift the Limit> > > > All good comments. This is very encouraging.> > > > I think North Carolina lifted their limit about two years ago.> Would it be helpful for Mr. Zirkelbach to have a copy of their proposed> legislation as a template? Just a thought. (I don't have a copy, but a> copy could probably be found somewhere on the internet).> > > > Also, should we get the "placeholder" would it make sense to> rally the troops (other homebrew clubs and the Iowa Brewer's Guild)> around the state to encourage them to write their state congressman?> > > > Cheers!> > > > John Martin> > Project Manager> > > > 515-699-7178 office> > 515-699-7179 fax> > 515-490-0605 mobile> > > > > > > ________________________________> > > From: ibu-bounces at iowabrewersunion.org> [mailto:ibu-bounces at iowabrewersunion.org] On Behalf Of Mark McAndrews> Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:07 PM> To: ibu at iowabrewersunion.org> Subject: Re: [IBU] Lift the Limit> > This session is scheduled to be short & sweet, being an even> numbered year --- they want to wrap up early and get home for> campaigning. This session there will be little stomach for tackling> tough or controversial issues. The coffers are full, the governor> already wants to spend more than he has and the legislature will likely> just slap down some of his condition of the state proposals. > > > > The one down side to proposing this now is that in an election> year MADD & the other neo-prohibitionists will likely glom onto any> proposal as making the highways more dangerous and encouraging drunk> driving. This will be an easy thing to twist in an attach ad prior to> election. On the plus side few seats in the house are actually> contested, so it doesn't matter so much. I'm game for any chance to get> it on the agenda.> > > > Also, expect the numnuts at ABC to claim there will be a loss of> revenue due to decreasing taxation of the high alc beers. Don't forget> to stress to your legislators that we all have a file somewhere on our> computers with the best beer stores in Omaha, the Twin Cities, Chicago,> St. Louis, KC.... so that we can load up on these beers everytime we> cross the state line.> > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Sabus, Brian <mailto:brian.sabus at pioneer.com> > > To: randle.boyd at mchsi.com ; ibu at iowabrewersunion.org > > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:53 PM> > Subject: Re: [IBU] Lift the Limit> > > > I don't know Randle, but I'll certainly ask him when I> talk to him; it would be nice to have him give us the skinny at some> point during the 2008 session.> > > > -Brian> > > > > > > ________________________________> > > From: randle.boyd at mchsi.com> [mailto:randle.boyd at mchsi.com] > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:47 PM> To: Sabus, Brian; ibu at iowabrewersunion.org> Subject: Re: [IBU] Lift the Limit> > > > Awesome. Is there any chance that he would like to> speak to possible legislation at an IBU meeting?> > > > Cheers,> > Randle> > -------------- Original message from "Sabus,> Brian" <brian.sabus at pioneer.com>: -------------- > > Hello All,> > > > Just wanted to let you know that a friend of> mine whom is a legislative consultant introduced me to Iowa District 31> Representative Ray Zirkelbach 3 weeks ago over a couple of beers at the> El Bait Shop. Well, turns out that Mr. Zirkelbach is a "beer> enthusiast" and he called my friend again today and wants to put> together a "placeholder" piece of legislation then draft some more> specific language over the course of the next few weeks to change Iowa's> 5% Law. > > > > Anyway, I imagine he will also be contacting> Mike England on this issue as Mike is our expert in this area.> > > > Not sure what will come of this, but it can't> hurt. Ray is the chair of one committee in the House so he does have a> little pull. 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